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April 20, 2019 08:40AM avatar
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Rich (Utah)
George,

I have to chime in and say that I think this is a great topic as well. One that we're going to find has lots of opinions aside from any scientific facts.
It should be an informative and maybe even an educational topic for many ... and most certainly full of 'opinions.'


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Rich (Utah)
Not sure that I have much to contribute here as I've been using DD coils on my Minelab's since back in 2000. My current Main Use detector (Equinox 800) doesn't have a Concentric option coil and neither does my Monte type site backup, the Nokta FORS CoRe. I do have several machines with concentric coils but in generally they are NOT my first choice for DEEP coin hunting in my typical urban spots.
The main point of interest is coin-size target depth with various search coil sizes, and it really applies to both Concentric and Double-D coil designs and not just one type. You'll have very good comments to contribute because you have spent a lot of time in this great sport and have used a good assortment of detectors and coil, and mainly for Coin Hunting purposes.

BOTH coil design types can have their strengths and weaknesses, and we need to remember that it isn't simply a coil's size or design, but also the particular detector it is attached to, the circuitry design and how the operator sets it up to produce the best performance possible. I do own and use both coil types, and have used Double-D search coils since 1971, but primarily Concentric type coils on most of the detectors I have owned and used since then. But I'm not so narrow minded that I only allow myself to use just one coil design.

Quite the contrary as today I have 4 Nokta units that only have Double-D coils mounted. Why? Because, unfortunately, they didn't make a Concentric coil for them. However, both the CoRe and Relic can handle a tough iron nail test I use better than any other detector I own or have so far compared them against, regardless of the coils that were compared. I have two Teknetics models. My T2+ only uses the 5" DD coil, but the Omega 8000 only uses the 7" Concentric coil. I have two Fisher F44's and one keeps a 7" Concentric mounted, the other a 5" DD coil. Then there are the three Tesoro units I use, and each of them sports their own 6" Concentric coil.

So I use a mix of Concentric and Double-D coils, and those choices are a very good blend of coil size/type with selected detector circuitry design and in-the-field ability to perform well. But as I have stated, all of these 11 models have coils that are 5", 6", 7" or an elliptical 5X9½, and I consider the round 7" and elliptical 5X9½ coils to be in the 'mid-size' category.


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Rich (Utah)
That said, I do not currently own a Fisher CZ-5 / CZ-6a / CZ-3D. Based on previous experience, if I had to select a detector for DEEP coin hunting in urban areas that used a Concentric Coil, this would be my choice. And I would select the 8" coil over the 10.5". Just me.
I owned a number of different Fisher CZ's as well, and my favorite coil on them was also the 8" Concentric.thumbs up


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Rich (Utah)
Harold has been having success finding deeper coins with his Golden µMax with an 8" coil. I have both an original Bandido and a Bandido II µMax as well as a variety of 8" Tesoro Coils I can select for hunting. I've just not thought of either as my best option for deep coins in an urban area. Harold, do you think I'm missing the boat here and should I break out one or both of them for the Ogden WTHO ?

Interest to know thoughts here.
I can share my thoughts on this. For one thing, Harold is using a different Tesoro model than you own. Also, Harold is hunting in a ground mineral environment that might also be quite different than what you experience and could get better depth-of-detection with a Tesoro and 8" Concentric than you can. Personally, I think it would be a good idea for you to bring along a Tesoro (I'd favor the Bandido II µMAX) and an 8" Concentric coil. There just might be a location or two where you might get very good performance on some deeper targets.

However, even though I totally enjoy my favorite Tesoro models, and have used them in a wide range of environments and have made some good deeper-located target finds, a Tesoro would not be my #1 pick if I was interested in getting Deep Coins with something in my arsenal. My best detector and coil pick today would be my Nokta CoRe w/5X9½ DD, or in some good ground even the Teknetics Omega 8000 w/7" .


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Rich (Utah)
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Just to add since this has been moved from the Tesoro page to the General Detecting Page - If I'm looking for deep silver dimes in an urban situation, I like what I am currently using, my 800 sporting the EQX11" DD coil. I do have the EQX6" DD coil available if I feel there is a benefit, but I am pleased with my results so far with the 800 /stock coil.

rh
Not a bad choice. If I were to select a detector and larger coil and specifically looking for a possibly deeper coin in a well manicured park or private yard, AND if there was very little to no masking, offending trash, it would be the new round 11" DD coil on a Nokta-Makro Anfibio Multi or Impact. I was impressed with the Anfibio Multi & 11" stock coil performance and I've heard favorable reports from EQ-800 users with that stock 11" DD as well.

Of course that brings us back around to just what is a 'DEEP' coin and the performance we might expect from a bigger size coil. Often it is extra coverage we gain more than depth, especially on the smaller-size coins. To that point I know that with the White's XLT, 5900 Di Pro and XL Pro, all standard with a 950, I enjoyed more comfort and matching or improved performance using an 8" Concentric coil such as the Royal 800, my favorite on those models. Second only to the 6½" Concentric coil for all-around general-purpose hunting.

Monte

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Important Topic by George: Deep coin shooting with a concentric coil???

glabelle 194 April 16, 2019 06:50AM

Related Reference if you're interested -

UtahRich 110 April 22, 2019 11:47PM

Related Reference of interest? Well, I'm not, and I don't mind commenting on it, either.

Monte 97 April 23, 2019 07:55PM

Coils and Coins -

UtahRich 71 April 23, 2019 08:46PM

Re: Related Reference if you're interested -

glabelle 84 April 23, 2019 07:11AM

Coil Sizes and Depth on Coins -

UtahRich 70 April 23, 2019 08:40PM

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glabelle 55 April 23, 2019 09:37PM

Coil Sizes and Depth on Coins -

UtahRich 54 April 23, 2019 09:44PM

Re: Related Reference if you're interested -

OregonGregg 76 April 23, 2019 05:45AM

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UtahRich 59 April 23, 2019 08:54PM

Pardon me George and others, but this is a great topic.

Monte 126 April 19, 2019 10:35AM

George, this is a great topic. Question for Harold,ILL

UtahRich 96 April 19, 2019 05:45PM

Comments for Rich (Utah) from Monte.

Monte 95 April 20, 2019 08:40AM

What is DEEP ? - Some Detecting Options

UtahRich 103 April 20, 2019 07:43PM

Re: What is DEEP ? - Some Detecting Options reply Rich Attachments

Kickindirt 84 April 20, 2019 09:12PM

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OregonGregg 81 April 20, 2019 08:06PM

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UtahRich 66 April 20, 2019 09:22PM

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OregonGregg 75 April 20, 2019 09:35PM

Re: Pardon me George and others, but this is a great topic.

glabelle 83 April 19, 2019 04:43PM

George, I'll respond to your 5-points.

Monte 97 April 20, 2019 05:42AM

In a nutshell . . . . .

UtahRich 64 April 19, 2019 07:48PM

Re: In a nutshell . . . . .

glabelle 83 April 19, 2019 08:42PM

Preferences -

UtahRich 59 April 19, 2019 11:48PM

A few last comments on coils and absolute depth Attachments

glabelle 81 April 20, 2019 09:24AM

George, a simple reason I described the 'cone.'

Monte 79 April 20, 2019 03:59PM

Adjacency - And why is that still there thinking

UtahRich 71 April 20, 2019 06:13PM

Re: Adjacency - And why is that still there thinking Great Post Richthumbs up

Druid 63 April 21, 2019 09:49AM

Re: A few last comments on coils and absolute depth

jmaryt 54 April 20, 2019 10:28AM

Re: Deep coin shooting with a concentric coil???

Kickindirt 102 April 16, 2019 06:46PM

Re: Deep coin shooting with a concentric coil???

glabelle 91 April 16, 2019 09:57PM

Balancing to ignore the ground?

Monte 83 April 20, 2019 09:22AM

Re: Balancing to ignore the ground?

glabelle 83 April 20, 2019 09:34AM

Re: Deep coin shooting with a concentric coil???

Kickindirt 82 April 17, 2019 11:05AM

Just a thought or two regarding coil size selection.

Monte 75 April 20, 2019 09:59AM

Re: Deep coin shooting with a concentric coil???

glabelle 88 April 17, 2019 04:13PM

What should I use to look for deep silver dimes?

UtahRich 113 April 16, 2019 10:20PM

Re: What should I use to look for deep silver dimes?

glabelle 86 April 17, 2019 09:21AM

Re: What should I use to look for deep silver dimes?

Harold,ILL. 100 April 17, 2019 08:06AM

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jmaryt 82 April 17, 2019 10:44AM

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UtahRich 97 April 17, 2019 04:12PM



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