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Re: New Detectors, here and coming soon, means it's evaluation time.

May 30, 2019 11:35PM avatar
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glabelle
Gregg, what advantage does a Fors CoRe, operating at 15KHz have over any other machine operating at 15KHz?

Serious question. How is it better?


George if you are referring to my above post, not once did I mention using a 15kHz machine or not once did I mention using a Fors Core, those are all assumptions on your part.

So let us get to the real meat of your post.......in an earlier post I posted:

" even though not actually owning a Nox 800, I have hunted aside them and from my observations, it would not be my first choice to hunt the old iron/rusted tin infested ghost towns. On the release of the Nox 800 a lot of hype followed and a lot of people fell for that hype. It has its place, but an iron/infested with rusted tin pieces is not one of them. There are better offerings to deal with those types of environments."


I get the feeling that post upset you, as you feel the Nox 800 is the current "magic wand". Well, I disagree. You have seen other post where I refer to the Fors Core as being a "cadillac" etc etc and blah blah blah. That's just good Ol' Oregongregg and the BS that follows, but that reality of it is, there is some truth in that BS. I have always claimed since the day I have started detecting is that I only like detecting old ghost town sites. That is all I ever learned is to hunt those type of sites and deal with the rusted tin/iron.

In fact, you were there in June of 2013 to exactly see me on my very first hunt. You left in a huff after trying to deal with the rusted tin etc.., the iron and rusted tin was very very frustrating trying to learn on my first time out detecting. But I stuck with it and the very first old coin I found on that outing was a 1907 IH penny. And by the way, I still didn't know exactly what the hell I was doing.....but I stuck with it and I found an old coin.

So now is the time to give credit where credit is due and in a word.....Monte. I didn't manage to fill binders up with a bunch of neat old coins on my own. Do to circumstances etc, Monte actually moved next door and I have had the great opportunity to go detecting with him just about every day. So to make a long story short, due to that my learning curve was shaved way off. Ya, I drove Monte crazy because I asked a thousand questions. But being the patient person that Monte is, he answered every one of them. So basically I got my hand held thru the whole learning how to detect process.................

But I digress, so to get back to your post. The Fors Core just happens to be a 15kHz machine...................I never have stated in a post that 15kHz is absolute best freq to use. In fact, Monte might argue and I still stick up for the CoRe....but Monte might argue that the Relic machine at 19kHz might offer additional advantages. ( It does in certain situations) smiling smiley In my own personal opinion, if the Fors Core offered Iron Audio Volume, to me it would be my perfect machine..........

So its really not a question of Khz, but machines, I like the Nokta/Makro machines because of their unmasking abilities. The Racers are at 14 the CoRe at 15 and the Relic at 19kHz. I have used the Nokta and Makro machines since 2015, I like them and they work and work good.

Your original question was how does the CoRe at 15kHz work better than any other machine at 15Khz. They work better because of circuitry design, coil selection etc etc. And it just isn't the other 15 kHz machines, but for the most part, for the environments I hunt, It can perform better than a lot of machines operating at different freq, rather its one freq at a time or a mess of freq running simultaneously. You state the only real advantage your Nox 800 offers is ID at depth. So tell me, you are standing virtually knee deep in an old ghost town in rusted tin and iron and that is your priority.... ID at depth ?? For one, you won't get much depth due to the amount of iron trash etc, 2nd unmasking ability is no better with a Nox 800, in fact in Monte's House of Detector Horrors ( as Rich puts it) the Nox 800 barely achieved average...IE: it wasn't great. 3rd I get the feeling that people are relying too much on the VDI display when using the Nox. You can if you want but in a ghost town, you will pass up some good finds.....I don't rely on any VDI display rather its the mighty Fors Core or any other machine, its all in the sound/tone.

George no disrespect, your a great engineer and produce pie graphs, spreadsheets etc etc pertaining to the Nox 800 and on paper it looks to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, as they say. But what has the Nox 800 produced for you? Outside of pie graphs and spreadsheets, in a real-world application what has the Nox 800 produced for you ??? I don't have pie graphs and spreadsheets, but I can open up binders and show hard results that the FoRs Core has produced. I'm not saying its a bad machine, and I also admit I haven't used one. But from what I have observed and having hunted side by side with one, in my opinion, I feel it it's not the best detector to tackle those old iron infested sites.

If Monte only said one thing that is true, that would be " there is no perfect detector" and that is the absolute truth. My Fors Core isn't perfect, but for me and the sites I hunt is does well. I feel that most modern day machines will do well, but a person just needs to get the time in. Not several hours or twenty hours, but get several hundred hours in the sites you like to hunt to really get a grasp on your machine and learn all its nuances, etc. Some of my best finds are listening to my machine and on some of those crappy iffy signals it comes down to a gut feeling to dig, but the gut feeling only comes after becoming very familiar with your machine.

Really the only advice I can give is to use a well-performing machine that clicks with you and then learn it inside and out. If you do that the finds will come. So George, the Fors Core at 15 kHz isn't perfect, but it performs well and I have put in numerous hours with this machine and at the end of the day I can get results. After having invested so much time using these machines, now ya see why I hate and resist change when it comes to changing machines. ( Although each machine is a bit different, staying with the Nokta and Makro machines is not a big leap moving from one to the other) One machine will never find it all, but I'm happy with what I can do with the machines i have.

So when you see a post like the one I posted earlier, trust me it's not a " I drive a Chevy, therefore Chevy is best" type of post, but rather just a personal opinion from observations and or use. And George you know as well as I do, opinions are like XXXXXXXX, everyone has one.

It seems you have "clicked" with the Nox 800. That's good, put in lots of hours and guess what, it will fill binders with neat old coins and stuff.

Look forward to seeing you on the outing.

gregg

Nokta FORS CoRe
Nokta FORS Relic
Makro Racer & Racer 2
Whites MXT & M6
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New Detectors, here and coming soon, means it's evaluation time.

Monte 392 May 28, 2019 11:14AM

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OregonGregg 186 May 30, 2019 06:56PM

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UtahRich 80 May 30, 2019 09:52PM

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glabelle 174 May 30, 2019 08:40PM

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OregonGregg 128 May 30, 2019 11:35PM

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glabelle 131 May 31, 2019 08:17AM

The EQ800 - Does it qualify for Monte's House of Horrors ?

UtahRich 123 May 31, 2019 06:24PM

Re: The EQ800 - Does it qualify for Monte's House of Horrors ?

glabelle 141 May 31, 2019 07:26PM

George, taking an evaluation break so I'll add two brief replies.

Monte 149 June 03, 2019 10:14AM

Wells

UtahRich 90 May 31, 2019 09:30PM

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OregonGregg 147 May 31, 2019 09:10AM

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glabelle 137 May 31, 2019 09:44AM

Holy Mackerel !!!!

OregonGregg 210 May 29, 2019 07:04AM

Re: Holy Mackerel !!!!

Utah1971 111 May 29, 2019 07:58AM

Re: Holy Mackerel !!!! Attachments

OregonGregg 123 May 29, 2019 10:52AM

Re: Holy Mackerel !!!!

D&P-OR 95 May 29, 2019 09:07PM

Goin' to the Dogs. . .

UtahRich 86 May 29, 2019 07:54PM

Ugly Xmas Sweater?

zincoln 87 May 29, 2019 01:14PM

Re: Holy Mackerel !!!! DUDE really tongue sticking out smiley

Kickindirt 112 May 29, 2019 12:53PM

New Detectors - Finding What's Left.

UtahRich 118 May 28, 2019 11:52PM

New or current Detectors: What works well for "Finding What's Left."

Monte 117 June 03, 2019 01:27PM

Re: New Detectors - Finding What's Left.

OregonGregg 93 May 29, 2019 05:25PM

Re: New Detectors - Finding What's Left.

UtahRich 86 May 29, 2019 08:18PM

forgive me if I'm not real excited :-)

glabelle 107 May 28, 2019 09:50PM

Agree on many points

zincoln 107 May 28, 2019 11:17PM

Keys to success and the V3i

glabelle 89 May 29, 2019 07:12AM

Re: Agree on many points

NWCindy 102 May 29, 2019 04:09AM

Re: New Detectors, here and coming soon, means it's evaluation time.

NWCindy 106 May 28, 2019 09:15PM

You ask: "... I hope you're ready to instruct" - - - and I answer: 'Nope.'

Monte 160 May 29, 2019 04:44AM

Re: You ask: "... I hope you're ready to instruct" - - - and I answer: 'Nope.'

NWCindy 103 May 29, 2019 04:58AM

Delivery Update: A new XP ORX is hoped to arrive by Friday the 31st.

Monte 141 May 28, 2019 08:21PM

Re: New Detectors, here and coming soon, means it's evaluation time.

Kickindirt 135 May 28, 2019 07:33PM

Yes, "you told me so," but I like 'simple' ...

Monte 171 May 28, 2019 08:48PM

Re: Yes, "you told me so," but I like 'simple' ...

Digstrashtomuch 142 May 30, 2019 04:26PM

Lance, my XP ORX arrived yesterday morning.

Monte 105 May 31, 2019 08:04AM

Re: Lance, my XP ORX arrived yesterday morning.

GeoW 120 June 02, 2019 12:09AM

Oh, I was "ready for it," and I've been "giving it a chance."

Monte 115 June 02, 2019 12:09PM



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