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The EQ-800 is a good unit, but the questions to make a selection are:

June 24, 2019 08:44PM avatar
(And in any order that fits the user best)

►► How comfortable is the unit (detector & coil) to allow the user to last a longer hunt-time afield?

►► Is the detector 'handy' to use, with 'handy' meaning:

• Does it have a good, functional 'default' program at start-up?
• Is it 'Simple' (aka 'Easy') to make any quick changes to settings for a particular site,
• And are there only a very few adjustments to tinker with to eliminate frustrations; complexity; eliminate a need for 'counter-adjustments?
• Is there an adequate number and types of available search coils, by the detector manufacturer, to take on a varied range of site challenges?

►► Considering the bulk of the types of sites we would search, and typical 'average' depths of coins we would be searching for (considering COINS as the primary targets we would be searching for, perhaps adding good Jewelry items as well) is our detector and coil selection capable of handling most typical hunt sites we might frequent?

►► And especially important, are we comfortable with the device; are we skilled with the particular unit to know it well; and trust how it performs in a variety of locations.

It isn't all that easy for us to just pick any detector and set out to use it, and it alone, and be comfortable with how it will perform, especially when there are many brands, models and coils we can select from that a lot of folks would consider being "A Detector of the Year."


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WM6
Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! ! smiling smiley

Question is which year.

If we are talking about year 1979, then EQ800 is Detector of the year for sure.
I recall some of the detector comparisons I was doing from 1965 to 1971. Then I eliminated most of the tinkering with BFO's, and starting in 1971 I concentrated on any and all of the detector models I bought, borrowed or otherwise got my hands on as detector design progressed "through the ages" ever since. There were a lot of makes and models as we transitioned through a wide-range of engineering and 'advancements' in very rapid succession.

I have used a selection of Test Scenarios' ever since the early-to-mid '70s, and I have been fortunate to have buried a good number of test samples in the yard of my friend who had a Metal Detector Shop, and carried a wide-range of brands. I can go there anytime as well with any detector I have to check them out ... even if it is a brand they do not carry! They started their business in the late '60s and I helped plant the targets in '71. Additionally, I do the bulk of my detector evaluations 'in-the-field' using two or more models, conducting side-by-side located targets prior to any recovery efforts. That eliminates 'air tests' on those targets keeping things very fair regarding performance.

In 1979, I would mostly have to agree with you that the Minelab Equinox 800 would really show itself well ... IF all we had were models made up to that time. However, virtually any quality-built and well-engineered detector we have had since 1983 would also take top-spot if compared to a 1979 or earlier-produced detector.


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WM6
In year 1979 targets were everywhere and very shallow under surface.
In 1979, and my experiences going back fourteen-years earlier and even on into the mid-1980's, there a lot more coins to be found, for sure. They were very abundant, and, yes, most of those that were 'findable' were also relatively shallow, too. Surface to 4" depths were the norm, and over 4" to about 6"-7" could be had with a right detector and coil combination when worked properly and the better settings.

But all of those so-called "shallow" targets were not found. All of the commonly hunted and public locations definitely got thinned out a lot, making it more difficult today to make the kinds of amounts of finds a lot of us got to enjoy ... if we are in that early-start group. But from the mid-'80s and on through the '90s, 2000s', I still managed to find a LOT of targets (Coins and Jewelry) when many others have seen their recoveries trailing off in number. There are a few reasons for that.

1.. A lot of people keep working the same locations here in the USA using detectors that might be newer, but they simply do not perform that well.

2,, Way too many people have been using detectors with a wrong type of search coil.

3.. Especially wrong is so many Hobbyists and Avid De6tectorissts buy into a lot of flashy market hype and use bigger / bigger sizes of search coils which actually defeat the success rate because they can not handle the site's trashy conditions.

4.. I see way too many people sweeping a search coil too fast for the best efficiency in the majority of the older sites we tend to search.

5.. In this list of bad maneuvers, I watch a lot of folks not work in and around old structures, metal pipes and fences, in the most efficient ways.

In those earlier days of the metal detecting hobby, it was just plain FUN to get out hunting anywhere because coins and 'keepers' were so plentiful. That made it fun, even though what most of us wanted was to find the older targets. Things from about 100 years ago or back into the 1800's, at least here in the USA. As most public access sites got 'thinned out' it lost some of the appeal and more folks who stuck with the hobby started to concentrate on finding and hunting older locations for the older desired targets.

But most of those older and less-hunted sites, which still hold a lot of older coins, trade tokens and neat smaller artifacts, are places like ghost towns, homesteads, stage stops and RR depots and sidings. All of those places still have a good number of older coins and desired 'keepers' there, and still near the surface or relatively shallower depths, but ....

They have a lot of building rubble, quite often a lot of iron nails, and some of the more challenging ferrous debris in the form of rusty tin. And I am not suggesting the ferrous debris is only an occasional encounter. Quite the opposite! Very dense amounts of iron junk and building rubble and all sorts of undesired metal challenges, which is often located in some highly mineralized environments, cause all the remaining good targets, or at least most of them, to have been missed in the past by people using too much Discrimination; sweeping too briskly; using search coils that are too large; etc., etc., etc. Oh, and detectors that just do not provide quick-response and fast-recovery from Discriminated trash that needs to be dealt with.

Maybe old picnic groves where the most abundant trash items are rusty bottle caps in a very dense array. Just more need to deal with good-target masking.


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WM6
But we are in year 2019 with almost all terrain heavy searched, shallow targets all disappear
from sight of shallow detectors.
There are a lot of shallower targets around. Just have to find old-use sites and be prepared to hunt slowly and methodically, using a smaller-size search coil, and keep the Discrimination as low as possible while using a quick-response and fast-recovery detector. Pretty simple.


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WM6
To get target in year 2019, main requirement to detector is depth. Multi-frequency is OK, but most
important is Depth. Watertight is OK, but most important is Depth. Different search programs are OK,
but most important is Depth. Rechargeable battery is OK, but most important is depth. Wireless earphones
are OK, but most important is Depth. Depth. Depth in first line. Depth is something that Minelab VLF promo
team is not ready to talking about.
DEPTH, to me, is a very over-stated function. Bigger coils and settings, and detector selections to gain more 'depth' is fine ... but NOT in a heavily littered location with closely-spaced, dense ferrous debris, because Target Masking will increase and degrade the performance for smaller-size individual coins. Most coins are not going to be 'deep' anyway, unless there has been a cause for it, such as man or animal traffic, erosion, or plowing and other ground disturbances.


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WM6
Is EQ800 deep detector? Sorry no. It is deep detector by 1979 standards, but not by today needs.
The EQ-800 can do OK, but I have and use detectors that have provided me with better depth ... in more open, sparse-target sites ... using a comparable size search coil. I compared, side-by-side, my Nokta FORS CoRe w/'OOR' DD and FORS Relic w/5" DD, and both with their 5X9½ DD, Nokta-Makro Multi-Kruzer and Anfibio Multi w/5" DD, 7" Concentric and 5X9½ DD, my XP ORX w/5X9 DD HF, and a White's MX-7 w/7" DD and 6½" Concentric against an EQ-800 w/6" DD or larger coil under 11", and the '800' never matched their depth afield.

I used a Fisher F75 SE Ltd and a Teknetics T2 'Classic' and my new T2+, and the FTP devices were terrible on VDI lock-on using their 11" BiAxial coils. The 5" DD worked much better, but the in-the-field comparisons had their 'depth' about tied, or the EQ-800 got slightly better depth with comparable settings with the 6" DD Vs the FTP unit's 5" DD.


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WM6
EQ800 is simply shallow machine. For comparison in its price class: Fisher F75 SE (Special Edition)
is by 30mm silver coin in high mineralized testing substrate almost twice as deep as EQ800. Almost twice.

As someone here stated, for detector is most important what is able to find following other detectors
search path.
Even recently, against other makes and models of any price range, I have used a Tesoro Bandido II microMAX and hunted behind others, and made good finds they missed. Sometimes it is their settings, sweep speed or other human factors, but most often I think I put the coil over the target and they came close but missed.


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WM6
Sorry but EQ800 is not that detector. Not in year 2019.

No doubt, it has great promotion, probably the best promo in year 2019.
Several detectors have been introduced in the last year or two, to include the Nokta-Makro Kruzer series and Anfibio series, and they also had good 'promotion' and are worthy considerations.


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WM6
Detector promo of the year.
Yes, MInelab might get credit for that. Some good, and some just things we have come to expect.

Monte

PS: This is not a promotion for the Minelab Equinox because I don't own one.
I am completely fine with my current Regular-Use Detector Outfit.


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Question for Monte.

D&P-OR 153 June 20, 2019 06:00AM

Some Detector & Coil Comparison Results ... but incomplete.

Monte 176 June 22, 2019 07:32AM

Re: Some Detector & Coil Comparison Results ... but incomplete.

Digstrashtomuch 115 June 23, 2019 08:11AM

You brought up several points I agree with.

Monte 81 June 24, 2019 05:29AM

Reviewing detectors, 2019

glabelle 131 June 22, 2019 05:08PM

Re: Reviewing detectors, 2019

DesertRokon 60 June 28, 2019 05:50PM

Vic, I wish you thee best of success!

Monte 63 June 29, 2019 04:29AM

Re: Vic, I wish you thee best of success!

DesertRokon 54 June 29, 2019 11:22AM

Re: Reviewing detectors, 2019

glabelle 71 June 28, 2019 07:22PM

Re: Reviewing detectors, 2019

DesertRokon 48 June 29, 2019 10:19AM

George, 'Thank You' or clarifying your reply.

Monte 53 June 28, 2019 10:16PM

Re: Reviewing detectors, 2019

jmaryt 64 June 26, 2019 11:53AM

George, here are a few examples of what 'SIMPLE' might be.

Monte 71 June 25, 2019 10:39AM

Re: George, here are a few example of what 'SIMPLE' might be.

Cal_Cobra 58 June 26, 2019 02:37PM

A nice reply, Brian, and I generally agree.

Monte 50 June 26, 2019 06:08PM

Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! !

UtahRich 100 June 22, 2019 06:52PM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! ! Nope!!

Kickindirt 71 June 23, 2019 04:38PM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! ! Nope!!

jmaryt 64 June 25, 2019 11:05AM

The Equinox 800 isn't all that expensive for what it offers.

Monte 66 June 25, 2019 05:27PM

Re: The Equinox 800 isn't all that expensive for what it offers.

Cal_Cobra 47 June 26, 2019 02:18PM

Similar to what I had to pay for early Tek. T2 upgraded versions and a couple other brands

Monte 42 June 26, 2019 06:11PM

Re: The Equinox 800 isn't all that expensive for what it offers.

jmaryt 54 June 25, 2019 08:56PM

Re: The Equinox 800 isn't all that expensive for what it offers.

Cal_Cobra 46 June 26, 2019 02:20PM

Somebody say Tesoro ? .

UtahRich 67 June 25, 2019 09:05PM

Re: Somebody say Tesoro ? .

Cal_Cobra 46 June 26, 2019 02:39PM

I have no concerns about my Tesoro models. And they very seldom need repair. N/T

Monte 38 June 26, 2019 06:13PM

Re: Somebody say Tesoro ? .

jmaryt 50 June 26, 2019 08:38AM

Models costing less than $300? Sure!

Monte 55 June 26, 2019 01:13AM

Re: Models costing less than $300? Sure!

jmaryt 45 June 26, 2019 08:40AM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! !

WM6 100 June 23, 2019 03:55PM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! !

Cal_Cobra 63 June 25, 2019 11:00AM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! !

jmaryt 52 June 25, 2019 08:59PM

The EQ-800 is a good unit, but the questions to make a selection are:

Monte 67 June 24, 2019 08:44PM

A Deeper Beeper -

UtahRich 78 June 23, 2019 07:43PM

?? A Deeper Beeper ?? - You have three of them.

Monte 61 June 24, 2019 08:59PM

Three Detectors Walk Into A Bar . . . . . .

UtahRich 55 June 24, 2019 11:51PM

- - - - and the new guys asked, "Who's that old guy and what does he do?"

Monte 60 June 25, 2019 09:05AM

Re: - - - - and the new guys asked, "Who's that old guy and what does he do?"

jmaryt 46 June 25, 2019 09:26AM

Re: A Deeper Beeper -

WM6 70 June 24, 2019 02:21AM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! !

glabelle 76 June 23, 2019 05:08PM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! !

Cal_Cobra 36 June 26, 2019 02:45PM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! !

Sodbuster 55 June 24, 2019 11:23AM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! !

WM6 62 June 24, 2019 03:37AM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! ! WM6 measurements

glabelle 55 June 24, 2019 11:24AM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800 ! ! ! ! WM6 measurements

WM6 71 June 24, 2019 02:41PM

Re: Detector of the Year - EQ800, but prob not for long

OregonGregg 96 June 23, 2019 01:52PM

Pick a detector, Go Hunt.

UtahRich 70 June 23, 2019 06:20PM

Re: Pick a detector, Go Hunt.

OregonGregg 103 June 23, 2019 06:48PM

Re: Pick a detector, Go Hunt.

D&P-OR 50 June 25, 2019 05:37PM

Greg buy a Minelab or XP ?

UtahRich 42 June 25, 2019 09:01PM

Re: Pick a detector, Go Hunt.

OregonGregg 69 June 25, 2019 06:05PM

Sent you a p.m. Gregg.---------Del

D&P-OR 47 June 26, 2019 06:21AM

Re: Pick a detector, Go Hunt.

NWCindy 67 June 23, 2019 08:01PM

Re: Pick a detector, Go Hunt.

Sodbuster 52 June 24, 2019 02:48PM

"Have fun. H. H." smileys with diet Dr. Pepper float ... Quite true, we should be having fun with what we do.thumbs up N/T

Monte 40 June 24, 2019 09:01PM

Re: Pick a detector, Go Hunt.

WM6 62 June 24, 2019 03:44AM

Re: Pick a detector, Go Hunt.

NWCindy 50 June 24, 2019 03:33PM



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