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November 20, 2020 04:08AM avatar
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Kickindirt
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Monte
But it is no different than if I went out and just randomly picked up four different -size Iron Nails and grabbed an Indian Head 1¢ and picked any position I wanted for them. Instead, my NBPT is an exact duplication of an actual in-the-field encounter. A valid Test Scenario.


Monte

YOUR KIDDING ME RIGHT MONTE?? RIGHT??

Joel, what I said was anyone could select 4 different Iron Nails and an Indian Head Cent and position them in any fashion they wanted to see how things work with the detector and coil they have. their outfit might work great, work fair or flunk terribly. Then they make a comment that anyone ought to get four Iron nails and an Indian Head Cent and try their own test. But, what test? Your random arraignment will likely differ from everyone else's as a random scattering or arrangement.

In short, it would simply be a suggested test using 5 targets, 4 ferrous nails and 1 a copper-based coin with no commonality to their orientation, and that is no different than any of us saying we hunted an old stage stop, found three old coins and there was a lot of discarded ferrous debris. We can all do that, if our detector and coil and settings are capable, but there isn't anything set in stone to be a dedicated same-same test that anyone can do, anywhere at anytime they want with an assortment of devices and coils. Doing so our results will be comparable because all 'tests' will be going against the same challenge of targets and orientation.

When i came upon the 4 Iron Nails surrounding the Indian Head Cent, in a natural setting, it gave me and five others on our ghost town outing a chance to compare our detectors and coils to see how they would perform on an exact same layout challenge. Then I marked them all, picked them up and duplicated it to make my Nail Board Performance Test, which is an exacting duplicate of an in-the-field encounter. Thus, it makes a very valid 'Test Scenario' for anyone, anywhere, with any detector and coil set-up. Remember, it, like ANY 'test', is simply that. It is a 'Test' of one type of challenge we might want to be prepared or in our hunting excursions.

Now, to the Rusty Tin UtahRich asked about. The point I was getting at, or suggesting, is that he or you or I might eyeball four different size pieces of Rusty Tin and grab an Indian Head Cent and simply lay them out in some fashion to test. but if Rich and You and I laid them out in different orientations, we are going to get different results that would NOT make a consistent 'Test.' The result would be an inconsistent and thus invalid comparison.

So, what would be good, would be to locate an actual good target / bad target, or more, and have it be something we can then duplicate so everyone can do the same comparison 'Test' with whatever unit and coil they have to try.

With Iron Nails it is much easier to match-up and duplicate. Rusty Tin? Just such a rough challenge, as well as any sort of ferrous-based junk, because there are so many different sizes, shapes, orientations, and especially different levels of deterioration and decay that 'Rusty Tin' can be so different ... one piece to another. Differences in how they will affect the EMF and, therefore, differences in how they might partially, or fully, mask a desired target.

I'm going to do some comparisons with ferrous debris, and see what can be done to find, in-the-field, and duplicate a consistent 'Test' with Rusty Tin. It's not easy. Currently, the best we could do is be out on a detecting trip with a friend or two and, when an interesting target is detected in a questionable environment with tin present, simply call the others over before the target spot is disturbed and ask the others to compare their detectors, coils, settings and sweep presentation the same as we use. That would at least give us an indication of how our detector, coil and settings compare with how their choices might handle that specific in-the-field find.

I hope I didn't lose anyone on understanding what I mean, and also hope they understand just how much of a challenge a dense array of different sizes of long-discarded 'tin' can be. Take an 'average' metal detecting Hobbyists who mainly Coin & Jewelry Hunts their city sites and plant them in 'downtown' Toano Nevada or up here in the heart of 'Lone Tree' or 'Lonesome Arch' Oregon and watch the surprised look on their face when they realize just how tough all those small shards of tin or bigger pieces can be. Tough to duplicate, and i'm referring only to the 'Rusty Tin', not even considering the Iron Nails or other assortment of metal discards out there.

Monte

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Subject Author Views Posted

Comparison Tests ... They can be interesting, and here's a 're-test' I'm doing.

Monte 358 November 16, 2020 05:54AM

A report of a lot of detectors using their 'standard' search coil.

Monte 317 November 19, 2020 07:46AM

Any Thoughts of tossing some Rusty Tin in the Mix ?

UtahRich 190 November 19, 2020 04:34PM

Rusty Tin? Yes, it's on the agenda.

Monte 384 November 19, 2020 05:15PM

Rusty Tin - the bane of the ghost towns.

UtahRich 165 November 20, 2020 01:48AM

Rich, my thoughts regarding your thoughts.thinking

Monte 183 November 20, 2020 05:40AM

Re: Rusty Tin? Yes, it's on the agenda. Attachments

Kickindirt 181 November 19, 2020 11:00PM

No, I'm not kidding, if you read what I said or implied.

Monte 190 November 20, 2020 04:08AM

Re: No, I'm not kidding <--- lol where's your sense of humor

OregonGregg 170 November 20, 2020 12:57PM

Where's your sense of individuality ?

UtahRich 165 November 20, 2020 04:15PM

Re: Where's your sense of individuality ?

OregonGregg 175 November 20, 2020 04:53PM

Exactly! Confront it, learn it and YOUR detectors, and the future will be brighter. N/T

Monte 170 November 20, 2020 08:08PM

Sending you a PM - winking smiley N/T

UtahRich 150 November 20, 2020 06:25PM

Well Thank ya....sent you one to. N/T

OregonGregg 164 November 20, 2020 07:00PM

Still busy testing, but will have two upcoming comparisons.

Monte 210 November 17, 2020 02:02PM

Re: Still busy testing, but will have two upcoming comparisons.

D&P-OR 231 November 17, 2020 03:22PM

OregonGregg being a pain in the behind again sad smiley

OregonGregg 454 November 16, 2020 08:09AM

Gregg, I think you forgot .....

Monte 264 November 16, 2020 01:31PM

Re: OregonGregg being a pain in the behind again sad smiley

EL NINO 238 November 16, 2020 12:46PM

What's going to happen with the M6 ?

UtahRich 242 November 16, 2020 06:59PM

Re: What's going to happen with the M6 ?

OregonGregg 224 November 16, 2020 07:09PM

Re: What's going to happen with the M6 ?

EL NINO 206 November 17, 2020 06:13AM

Re: What's going to happen with the M6 ?

OregonGregg 391 November 17, 2020 07:49AM

Handle angle

SvenS 182 November 17, 2020 05:56PM

Re: Handle angle

OregonGregg 173 November 17, 2020 06:33PM

Re: Come on down Gregg!!

Kickindirt 181 November 17, 2020 01:39PM

Re: Come on down Gregg!!

OregonGregg 164 November 17, 2020 02:33PM

Re: Come on down Gregg!!

Kickindirt 195 November 17, 2020 04:19PM

Re: Come on down Gregg!!

D&P-OR 201 November 17, 2020 05:29PM

Re: Come on down Gregg!!

Kickindirt 172 November 17, 2020 06:05PM

Re: Come on down Gregg!!

D&P-OR 166 November 17, 2020 07:18PM

Re: ya Del

Kickindirt 165 November 17, 2020 09:00PM

I just checked NOAA, and 32° at 12:56 in the afternoon it isn't likely Gregg will head your way.

Monte 197 November 17, 2020 02:15PM

Re: I just checked NOAA, and 32° at 12:56 in the afternoon it isn't likely Gregg will head your way.

OregonGregg 174 November 17, 2020 02:37PM

Re: I just checked NOAA, and 32° at 12:56 in the afternoon it isn't likely Gregg will head your way.

D&P-OR 201 November 17, 2020 03:08PM

Did I read this correctly? Meet at Del & Patsy's for a winter long hunt ?

UtahRich 158 November 18, 2020 09:42PM

Re: Come on down Gregg!!

D&P-OR 194 November 17, 2020 01:45PM

Re: Come on down Gregg!!

OregonGregg 202 November 17, 2020 02:34PM

Re: What's going to happen with the M6 ?

Kickindirt 232 November 16, 2020 08:53PM

Re: What's going to happen with the M6 ?

OregonGregg 219 November 16, 2020 09:23PM

Re: What's going to happen with the M6 ?

Kickindirt 180 November 16, 2020 10:23PM

Here ya go

OregonGregg 231 November 16, 2020 10:42PM

That's not the response I expected . . . . . thinking

UtahRich 212 November 16, 2020 09:10PM

Re: That's not the response I expected . . . . . thinking

D&P-OR 213 November 16, 2020 09:25PM

So is Patsy there too ?

UtahRich 198 November 16, 2020 09:30PM

Re: So is Patsy there too ?

D&P-OR 415 November 16, 2020 09:42PM

Dinner Bell

UtahRich 244 November 16, 2020 09:44PM

confused smiley

UtahRich 245 November 16, 2020 08:32PM

The M6 - We need some clarification with your results.

UtahRich 250 November 16, 2020 07:14PM

Re: The M6 - We need some clarification with your results.

OregonGregg 238 November 16, 2020 08:11PM

OregonGregg being a pain in the behind again sad smiley

UtahRich 229 November 16, 2020 10:38AM

Rich, a few comments back to you.

Monte 225 November 16, 2020 01:21PM

What's Your Detector IQ ?

UtahRich 179 November 16, 2020 07:40PM

Re: OregonGregg being a pain in the behind again sad smiley

EL NINO 179 November 16, 2020 12:17PM

Re: OregonGregg being a pain in the behind again sad smiley

Druid 177 November 16, 2020 11:28PM

Re: OregonGregg being a pain in the behind again sad smiley

EL NINO 196 November 17, 2020 05:46AM

Re: OregonGregg being a pain in the behind again sad smiley

Druid 158 November 18, 2020 12:00PM

Re: OregonGregg being a pain in the behind again sad smiley

EL NINO 167 November 18, 2020 02:54PM

Re: OregonGregg being a pain in the behind again sad smiley

EL NINO 167 November 18, 2020 01:39PM

This machine looks familiar

zincoln 148 November 18, 2020 04:05PM

Re: This machine looks familiar

EL NINO 166 November 18, 2020 08:45PM

Thx for sharing

zincoln 159 November 18, 2020 10:44PM

Re: Thx for sharing

EL NINO 162 November 19, 2020 03:35AM

Setting Up Tests for your own detectors -

UtahRich 214 November 16, 2020 07:30PM

Agree 100%

OregonGregg 177 November 16, 2020 11:08AM

Customizing a Test -

UtahRich 211 November 16, 2020 06:52PM

Re: Agree 100%

Kickindirt 313 November 16, 2020 05:57PM

Joel, just some responses to your thoughts.

Monte 179 November 17, 2020 09:26PM



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