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negative hot rocks

kac
February 27, 2023 10:15PM
In my neck of the woods I come across a fairly wide range terrain from patches of clay (nothing to cry about) to magnetite boulders size of a coffee table and of course areas with very mild ground. Much of my hunting is done with either my Tejon or in all metal mode with the Kruzer or Gold Racer.
Once in a while I would come across a negative hot rock which you can notice especially with all metal mode (not non discrimination mode found in SMF and many other units). There would be a reverse roll to the target loud, blank then loud as if the target bounces. Very obvious characteristics as the signal bounces.

With all the talk about SMF and that useless nickel test made me thing more on fringe targets disappearing in salt such as gold chains etc. Thought what happens if a gold ring was on fringe of detection in salt? Would some of those bouncing signals be a gold ring or just a negative hot rock as I always thought?

So of course in middle of a snow storm I headed to the beach and decided to dig some of those targets. Low and behold, yup they were negative hot rocks.

Brought couple of the buggers home to test and first I put a magnet to them and was able to lift them off the table! They weren't magnetized but had a significant amount of iron or magnetite. Usually hot rocks act bit like coal but these were different. Normal or positive hot rock will spike, in signal but remain in the range of detection. Positive hot rocks have enough mineralization to attract a magnet but not enough to lift it off the surface.

Negative hot rock is unusual where the lowest signal is extremely high on the range of detection and the strongest detection in the middle of the coil as it passes over will cause the target to wrap so the signal falls into the ground phase range where ground balance will erase the target response making it disappear.

Unlike a large silver on edge or stack of quarter trick where target response wraps to iron the negative hot rock is still in mineral range so its phase angle range is just really high.

Understanding this and how an unstable weak target like hot rocks, coal and why their numbers jump leads me to believe that metal targets have enough density and mass to produce a more consistent signal where as less dense targets the signals will vary. This is true to all IB machines no matter the number or chosen frequency.

Back to hot rocks and in particular negative hot rocks, near metal targets. When a negative hot rock is near a coin it will drag the id down but make the id unstable depending on distance from the good target and of course a dd coil will react as it would with a piece of iron but instead of having an iron signal there will be just a lower unstable good target number.

Couple things that do help is if you know there is a negative hot rock simply ground balance over the null. GB will be unusually high but will help with surrounding targets and numbers should stabilize a bit. Also oddly 10 khz seems to help. So in doubt or not sure if a negative hot rock is present as they can be difficult to identify in discrimination modes. 10 khz seems to be less effected than higher or lower frequencies.

Back to gold disappearing in the conductivity of salt... there would be no bounce or wrap in that case as the gold has a stable response and the conductivity of salt will just erase it as the gold goes to the fringe of detection.

Figured maybe couple of ya might find it interesting.
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kac 213 February 27, 2023 10:15PM

US nickel tests, challenging ground, and hot rocks

Monte 110 March 02, 2023 06:37PM

Re: US nickel tests, challenging ground, and hot rocks

FeistyFrank 65 March 03, 2023 06:15PM

Re: US nickel tests, challenging ground, and hot rocks

kac 98 March 03, 2023 09:46PM

Ground Balancing ... ???

Monte 65 March 03, 2023 08:20PM

Re: US nickel tests, challenging ground, and hot rocks

kac 87 March 02, 2023 08:53PM

Re: US nickel tests, challenging ground, and hot rocks

diggindeep 77 March 03, 2023 12:49PM

Re: US nickel tests, challenging ground, and hot rocks

kac 93 March 03, 2023 03:19PM

Which detector & coil got the 14" Nickel clearly?

Monte 74 March 03, 2023 02:10PM

Re: Which detector & coil got the 14" Nickel clearly?

diggindeep 77 March 03, 2023 02:22PM

Was the Deus II & 11" DD in SMF or a Single-Frequency?

Monte 56 March 04, 2023 07:14PM

Re: Which detector & coil got the 14" Nickel clearly?

kac 73 March 03, 2023 09:44PM

Thank You, Andrew.

Monte 60 March 03, 2023 08:45PM

Read what I had said all allong and don't take it out of context or try to twist it around N/T

kac 66 March 01, 2023 08:49AM

Re: Worthless nickel test

diggindeep 110 February 28, 2023 11:48AM

Andrew, no need to go anyplace as you

Monte 83 March 02, 2023 09:30PM

Re: Worthless nickel test

kac 88 February 28, 2023 01:27PM

I'm confused....but that is easy to do..........

OregonGregg 156 February 28, 2023 03:15PM

Re: I'm confused....but that is easy to do..........

kac 78 February 28, 2023 08:38PM

Re: I'm confused....but that is easy to do..........

NWCindy 84 February 28, 2023 05:39PM

Already have one on the way

OregonGregg 91 February 28, 2023 05:45PM

Re: Already have one on the way

kac 77 February 28, 2023 08:42PM

Everyone is a skeptic. sad smiley

UtahRich 112 February 28, 2023 02:02PM

Re: Everyone is a skeptic. sad smiley

kac 121 February 28, 2023 08:43PM

Search & Rescue? Recovery Efforts? No such luck.

UtahRich 88 February 28, 2023 10:29PM

Sorry for the sarcasm kac - but i'm saddened to see

UtahRich 86 February 28, 2023 04:18PM

Useless Nickel Test?

UtahRich 117 February 28, 2023 12:45AM

Re: Useless Nickel Test?

kac 105 February 28, 2023 10:38AM

thinking. TEST WASN'T HONEST

UtahRich 87 February 28, 2023 11:34AM

Re: Useless Nickel Test?

glabelle 90 February 28, 2023 10:44AM

confused smiley

UtahRich 88 February 28, 2023 11:51AM

Re: confused smiley

glabelle 75 March 01, 2023 11:51AM

Re: Useless Nickel Test?

Rick N. MI 89 February 28, 2023 09:21AM

Re: Useless Nickel Test?

kac 84 February 28, 2023 01:21PM



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