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Re: US nickel tests, challenging ground, and hot rocks

kac
March 02, 2023 08:53PM
Much of my hunting is done in all metal mode so I hear the hot rocks and negative hot rocks. What I didn't realize is some of them have a pretty good range of influence that even when discriminated out can make id's on a vdi machine little unstable and even drag them down a few points. Not a big deal except for maybe someone that is cherry picking. On the negative rocks if you ground balance on them your gb will just be really high but will make the targets nearby more stable. Simple work around if ya have a questionable target but most people will just dig a big hole anyways.

Did some testing with nickels vs gold jewlery. I only had one ring that had the same id or phase angle as a nickel. The ring was a 14kR (r is rolled gold that has a copper core). The ring behaved exactly like a nickel with vdi drop off.
All my rings of similar size that were not a rose gold just regular 10k, 14k and white gold, chains and earings had lower vdi's and drop offs where at or below nickels in depth with the exception of a 14k .8oz chain that even when balled up was in the foil range but fall off was much further.
All my rose gold rings had tdi higher than a nickel and many had drop offs simlar or further.

I didn't test anything in the salt to see this was just an air test using 1 machine 1 frequency.
Because jewelry varies so much and copper content in gold, size of the gold there are just too many variables to say that one id represents gold rings.

One thing ALL the gold had no matter the content was they had a tone roll, ID would raise then lower where nickels would lock on easier.

I would suspect that the tone roll as ids trail will start to clip off as a ring gets deeper especially in salt making the target sound a little smaller than it is. That is a good thing as it will be easier to hunt the tinier sounds in the surf and not have to try to read a screen under water.

I'm sure this will ruffle more feathers and someone will probably start back stabbing me on the web but I could care less, got thick skin. Not here to bust stones or hurt feelings. When people get all bent and run off rather than try to test then no one can learn off each other. Sorry I don't spend time on you tube and really dislike many of the canned tests someone in marketing might have come up with. I like to know why something is rather than take what I see as the gospel.

If I offended anyone, my appologies, that is not my intent and I never make personal attacks on anyone.

On another note Monte, how ya feeling? Glad you back online!
Ken
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kac 214 February 27, 2023 10:15PM

US nickel tests, challenging ground, and hot rocks

Monte 110 March 02, 2023 06:37PM

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FeistyFrank 65 March 03, 2023 06:15PM

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kac 98 March 03, 2023 09:46PM

Ground Balancing ... ???

Monte 66 March 03, 2023 08:20PM

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kac 87 March 02, 2023 08:53PM

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diggindeep 77 March 03, 2023 12:49PM

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kac 93 March 03, 2023 03:19PM

Which detector & coil got the 14" Nickel clearly?

Monte 75 March 03, 2023 02:10PM

Re: Which detector & coil got the 14" Nickel clearly?

diggindeep 77 March 03, 2023 02:22PM

Was the Deus II & 11" DD in SMF or a Single-Frequency?

Monte 56 March 04, 2023 07:14PM

Re: Which detector & coil got the 14" Nickel clearly?

kac 73 March 03, 2023 09:44PM

Thank You, Andrew.

Monte 61 March 03, 2023 08:45PM

Read what I had said all allong and don't take it out of context or try to twist it around N/T

kac 66 March 01, 2023 08:49AM

Re: Worthless nickel test

diggindeep 110 February 28, 2023 11:48AM

Andrew, no need to go anyplace as you

Monte 83 March 02, 2023 09:30PM

Re: Worthless nickel test

kac 89 February 28, 2023 01:27PM

I'm confused....but that is easy to do..........

OregonGregg 157 February 28, 2023 03:15PM

Re: I'm confused....but that is easy to do..........

kac 78 February 28, 2023 08:38PM

Re: I'm confused....but that is easy to do..........

NWCindy 84 February 28, 2023 05:39PM

Already have one on the way

OregonGregg 91 February 28, 2023 05:45PM

Re: Already have one on the way

kac 77 February 28, 2023 08:42PM

Everyone is a skeptic. sad smiley

UtahRich 112 February 28, 2023 02:02PM

Re: Everyone is a skeptic. sad smiley

kac 122 February 28, 2023 08:43PM

Search & Rescue? Recovery Efforts? No such luck.

UtahRich 88 February 28, 2023 10:29PM

Sorry for the sarcasm kac - but i'm saddened to see

UtahRich 87 February 28, 2023 04:18PM

Useless Nickel Test?

UtahRich 117 February 28, 2023 12:45AM

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kac 105 February 28, 2023 10:38AM

thinking. TEST WASN'T HONEST

UtahRich 88 February 28, 2023 11:34AM

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glabelle 90 February 28, 2023 10:44AM

confused smiley

UtahRich 88 February 28, 2023 11:51AM

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glabelle 75 March 01, 2023 11:51AM

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Rick N. MI 89 February 28, 2023 09:21AM

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kac 84 February 28, 2023 01:21PM



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