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Recovery Tools and the RIGHT Selection - Appearances

June 05, 2018 10:14PM
Continuing the Discussion Started on the Traditional Coin Hunting Forum - [www.ahrps.org]

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NWCindy
There's a few things that bother me about other detectorists. The main one is using the wrong equipment and having no regard for the property that you have access to. I was hunting with a guy off and on for a couple years and I told him you cannot bring the Lesche 3 ft shovel to a school or a park or a public place on nice grass he did it time and time and time and time again even though I told him you cannot do this. . . . I don't want to deal with people like that they wreck it for everybody. . . . .you get the drift can't . . . .

Hey Cindy, Yes, I believe we get the drift. Why we like to think that what we do is our own business, our behaviors do impact those around us. In this case even other detectorists we don't know.

I follow several detectorists and electronic gold prospectors on Youtube. One of the things that I've noticed is detectorists taking their Relic Shovels, like the Lesche Sampson, which have typically been used in farm fields and rural areas, and using them in public parks, school yards and of course private yards.

I think there are a couple main reasons why. Speed and Ease. Though the blade of these type of relic shovels are typically smaller (Predator tools Ultra Eagle is approximately 4/12" wide and 8" long) they speed the recovery process of deeper targets. And, they ease the effort required to dig in difficult ground.

I firmly believe that for deeper targets my relic shovel does a better job of cutting a deep plug in grass that is more likely to survive than I can do with my hand digger. The plug is slightly larger in diameter AND there is a larger root ball left on the grass. Back in the mid-80's, I had a seasonal job installing sprinkler systems in residential yards and dug up A LOT of grass strips in existing yards. I learned the importance of leaving the root ball of the grass intact.

If I am digging deep targets in my old local park, I firmly believe that I can work faster, more efficiently AND leave less evidence that I was there using my relic shovel. OH NO ! ! ! Did Rich really say that? Yes, I did. But, I DON"T use my relic shovel in public parks and school yards. Let me explain further.

There is a fellow detectorist that I often see hunting a certain area of my old local park. He uses a short handled garden shovel. The blade is a little smaller than you might see on a typical full length round nosed shovel, but it is the same shape. I've watched him detecting and recovering targets. He's actually quite good with it. I've inspected his work after he's left and he does all the little things to make sure he leaves no trace.

He tucks in the loose grass root on the edges of the plugs so the edges don't die leaving a brown tell tale ring, The tops of his plugs are even with the surrounding grass. He sweeps away any dirt that may have fallen off the plug or come from the hole during target retrieval. I can find his plugs because I know what to look for, otherwise, a person would be unlikely to notice.

YET - There are others that have hunted in this park and dug spade sized holes and tossed the plugs back in the holes upside down, if at all, and I've had to follow in their wake and attempt to clean up the mess that was left in hopes that the park doesn't become off limits to metal detecting.

The grounds crew for this park is there everyday beginning in the spring. They often drive by me in their work carts as they tend to the gardens, grass and other facilities. They've also seen this fellow with his shovel busy at work himself. They've never even stopped to talk.

Why NOT a relic shovel? So if my relic shovel does a better job of recovering deep targets in the turf, why is it that I'm not toting my relic shovel around with me at the parks, schools, and private residences that I hunt? Perception. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE PERCEPTION THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MESS.

Most of the last 33 years, I've predominantly hunted the yards of private homes, often times with the owner sitting on the porch watching as I work my detector across the yard recovering targets. Some of these yards are somewhat unkempt, others are rather well manicured. I've tried to treat all of them like they are my own yard and to be, like Cindy describes above, respectful of the property. Sometimes, I've had the owner ask how I am going to retrieve the targets and I've showed them my tools and describes how each works.

I have a hole hog that takes a neat 3 1/2" plug that is up to 7 1/2" deep. Works great as long as you can pinpoint SPOT ON. (How are your pinpointing skills?) I have the shovel that makes a larger plug BUT it is a shovel. I have my Lesche hand digger which cuts a tidy plug and is a good option for deep targets IF the shovel is out of the game. And I have my coinpopper, which is my 12" long S shafted coin probe that is great for surface targets down to about 3", maybe a touch more. It also doubles for working around roots and such in deeper plugs.

The hole hog was the most popular for many years and was a 'selling' point if you will when gaining permission to a yard. After all, the same type of equipment is used on golf courses for cutting holes in those beautiful greens. Trouble with the hole hog is that the hole is only at bit more the 3 1/2" in diameter and if a target is angled or such, it WILL pinpoint off-center and then BAMM, I've scratched a possible valuable target. (Nicked the chin on Lincoln on a 1931-S Wheat Penny, go look that one up. Fortunately, I have other 31-S wheaties)

And speaking of tough targets, as we move along in technology with detectors, we are having greater success UNMASKING co-located targets. Finding the keepers in and among the iron and trash, all of which makes it more difficult to pinpoint the target we want rather than the iron and trash we don't. That new detector technology also has us using detectors that often come stock with large DD coils rather than the concentric coils we used for so many years. There are some nice features with the DD coils, however, we give up some accuracy in pinpointing that we had with the concentric coils. I like the pinpointing accuracy of concentric coils. Smaller DD coils, like the 5" OOR for my Nokta CoRe, can help with getting the correct target under the coil and minimize any disturbance to the turf.

In Turf, pinpointing accuracy is key in keeping a tidy recovery area. And so is the ability to determine the approximate depth of the target. This is because the depth of the target determines on whether you are going to use a simple coin probe to remove a surface target, cut a slit in the grass to remove a shallow target, cut a regular plug to remove a medium target or cut a wider deep plug to remove a very deep target. If you screw up here, you stand a good chance of making a mess. This is why I've always placed a premium on having a good depth gauge and audio system on my detectors; I have to be able to discern what I believe to be the depth of the target.

Turf condition is something I should add in here. Outside in Salt Lake, it has quickly warmed this week into the low 90's. A lot of grass in the parks, golf courses and private yards has quickly browned as the heat has set in; not enough water. If you're hunting a turf area that is already struggling due to low or no moisture in the ground, you stand a much greater chance of having your plugs die. Too, dry ground is often HARD ground and is more difficult to dig in. I would look for 'greener pastures' if a public area I wanted to hunt was dry and not risk making a mess. Same with private yards.

There are more considerations, but I think this post is already long enough. You can see that turf hunting adds an additional layer of complexity to our detecting that we don't generally experience hunting an old building tear out, a ghost town, or other non-turf location. But take hope that we can gain expertise with it and open up some new places to hunt that maybe we have avoided in the past.


Best of luck to all of you.

Regards,

Rich (Utah)

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Tools and techniques for Target retrieval. What we should and should not use.

Monte 305 June 05, 2018 05:47PM

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Rich (Utah) 258 June 05, 2018 10:14PM

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Rich (Utah) 120 August 09, 2018 03:49PM

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jmaryt 115 August 09, 2018 04:32PM

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jmaryt 119 August 09, 2018 11:50AM

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Sodbuster 140 August 11, 2018 03:54PM

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jmaryt 131 August 11, 2018 04:46PM

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jmaryt 111 August 09, 2018 11:46AM

I agree with you Rich, and will just add three comments.

Monte 207 June 06, 2018 02:43PM

Re: I agree with you Rich, and will just add three comments.

jmaryt 106 August 14, 2018 10:21AM

. . . a final comment on recovery and recovery techniques.

Rich (Utah) 89 August 14, 2018 07:45PM

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jmaryt 74 August 14, 2018 09:03PM

Re: I agree with you Rich, and will just add three comments.

bevelhead 180 June 11, 2018 02:52PM

Re: the slit recovery method thumbs up

Sodbuster 121 August 11, 2018 02:57PM

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jmaryt 96 August 11, 2018 04:53PM

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NWCindy 204 June 06, 2018 01:57PM

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jmaryt 88 August 09, 2018 12:11PM

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NWCindy 196 June 06, 2018 01:54PM

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jmaryt 89 August 09, 2018 12:16PM

Following Local rules -

Rich (Utah) 199 June 06, 2018 04:12PM

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