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jmaryt
Dankowski was referring to the effectiveness of the cz 3d when hunting trash pits, ie: parks.he meant that the detector needed to be in "regular" mode instead of advanced mode in modern (after 1950) parks because if set to advanced toggle', would pick up all the tabs, and and other junk targets.if you left it in "regular "mode, then you could hunt modern parks effectively,hence "his" reasoning that the cz 3d could only be used in Parks before the advent of "pop tops, and screw caps "before the year 1950. this kinda "spooked" me and I looked elsewhere. just sayin'

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j.t.

The "advanced mode" or function was supposed to help find certain older-dated targets and that also included the US Nickel coin I had been using a CZ-6 converted to CZ-6a, then I acquired a CZ-5. Had a few of those and the CZ-5 worked very well for my intended needs. Not the best to grab for trashier sites, modern or older, but good for hitting some of the mid-depth to deeper coins in the parks and schools and other similar more open areas that had the age and activity to cause some targets to be deeper. Tougher-to-find coins in sparse-target areas where there was little to no masking from shallower or close-by trash.


But before 1950? Why?

I started detecting in March of '65, and most of the time, when out and about, if I got thirsty I bought my soda in a nice cold bottle. The 1960's was when we started seeing changes, such as that was the decade when most transitioned away from using the cork inserts in the crimp-on bottle caps. Detecting around picnic areas there were better chances of finding a discarded bottle cap, but I still prefer soda out of a bottle rather than a can due to taste, and I noted a slow transition of folks buying their soda in cans that wend from needing a 'church key' to the then-new Pull Tab opening. Those also came out in the mid-to-late '60s ... not "before 1950".

And there were a variety of conductivities used based on a detached 'beaver-tail, or detached 'ring-pull', or a complete Pull-Tab and the configuration of them being straightened out, twisted, or bent. I didn't find my first beaver-tail type Pull-Tab until about late May of 1972 in a park in Ogden Utah that has been replaced by a car lot. I remember that find very well because I had been detecting for a few hours and it was sunny and quite warm. I laid down for a few minutes in the shade of a big tree with my hands behind my head. Once rested up and my back felt better I started to get up. As I moved my hands out from under my head, my right wrist was deeply cut by a discarded Pull-Tab that had been tossed in the grass. Yes, a memorable first-find of a Pull-Tab I won't forget. I hadn't found one while detecting until a week or so later.

There were no Pull-Tabs "before 1950' and none in the '80s, either we didn't really see them come into use and start becoming popular until the latter '60s, and as I stated their Target ID covered several coins or desired artifacts we might have encountered. And those blasted things were followed by the modern Pry-Tab that was supposed to stay attached to the can. But they are also fiddled off and tossed aside, and the majority of those have a conductivity the same as, or very close to, he US 5¢ coin, and both Pull-Tabs and Pry-Tabs also are similar to where many desired gold rings and jewelry items read, too.

So the comment still makes less sense to me. Now, on the the CZ models.

I owned and used a CZ-5 along with a few other detectors, including my trusted Tesoro's, and the CZ-5 had it's assigned purpose or specialty. A dealer find of mine let me borrow a lot of the newer models that came out so I could check them out afield for a week or two, and I checked the CZ-3D against my Tesoro's, White's XLT and Pro XL, a couple of other units and my proven CZ-5. He got it back and I didn't buy it because it didn't work well. Used it side-by-side with my others on located targets in modern parks, old barks in out-of-the-way areas that had little to no modern trash, and a homestead or two. Used the same size coil as my CZ-5 and the CZ-3D was simply, 'not good'.

So when the CZ-3D was available with a T.D. 'fix' I thought I would give it a try. Similar or same old locations, and worked an old-use area of a 289 acre park in Portland, Oregon where we had been finding 'V' and Buffalo Nickels. I used it first to find what was supposed to be good, My friend and I hunted a dedicated area well, then I worked it again and the next day using other detectors. When I had a probable good read-out I would then check it with the CZ-3D. Maybe one-out-of-ten located targets gave a good response, and when thew targets were recovered, the 'other' detectors all responded well to the targets, mostly coins and especially old 5¢ losses that the CZ-3D failed on. And at two parks and adjacent school grounds that dated to about 1940, a modified White's IDX Pro with a similar-size coil out-classed the CZ-3D in good audio and TID the bulk of the time on side-by-side comparisons.

In the end it is like any other detector out there and everyone who puts them to use. We each have certain things we like or dislike about any detector, and some detectors seem to work well in our hands while others just do not click with us. That's why I have always felt that anyone using a detector they like is a good thing because they can get out and enjoy this great sport as they do, and I can get out and have some pleasure of my own with detectors I like. Naturally there are those of us who use two or more detectors or coil choices which can give us some advantages in certain applications, but in the end it is all a personal thing. For me, that was one of the models that I but in my never-interested category.

Monte

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