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Thought on White's ... and some advice if they are listening

March 28, 2020 11:23AM avatar
I've been a White's guy for several decades now, and my view is a little more charitable. Yes, I agree they have fallen behind the times, but they have a special niche in the market. They have an old-world high quality feel about them. I'm talking about the metal box "SL" designs like the XL Pro, MXT, and V3i. None of the other manufacturers have this high quality feel. Sure, the Minelabs and Fishers have more features, but they feel like cheap toys, really no comparison. The Nokta models seem somewhat better in quality construction but still are not up to the White's standard. The Equinox 800 I had and sold felt like a flimsy toy, nose heavy, and like it would break unless you handled it very carefully. The White's have an industrial high quality feel to them that no other manufacturer comes close to. The MXT series are still excellent detectors that certainly hold their own against more modern designs. They are so close in actual performance to even the best recent models, that user skill and location play a FAR bigger role in success than detector model does. So don't sell the MXT short.

The V3i is a masterpiece of engineering design. Yes, it has some big weak spots, like touchy ground blance and laggy disconnected audio in disc mode, and is very complex. But I will never be without one. They are the pinnacle of complex detector design. Sadly, they are also likely the high-water mark for White's. Even if I don't keep swinging my V3i, I will keep one in my detector collection forever just for what it represents to the hobby.

The XL Pro is the ultimate perfection (except that it doesn't have manual ground balance . grrr...) of the multi-decade run of 6000 series detectors. It represents the pinnacle of White's analog designs. For those of us that enjoyed the heyday of detecting back in the 70's and 80's, there is no better trip down memory lane to this era than swinging an XL Pro. It has all the sweet sounds of the anolog detectors of that are packaged in a relatively modern design.

The MXT will go down as one of the all-time great detector designs. It's the perfect balance between performance and simplicity. It is rugged, performs great, has a great coil selection, what is there not to like. Yes, I share Monte's frustration that White's seems to have forgotten us advanced users by leaving off manual ground balance, but at least there is some GB control with the MXT with a lot of inconvenient flipping of toggle switches and modes to get there but you can mostly control the GB once you figure it out. I won't go into all the ways the MXT achieved the perfect design compromises, but suffice to say, it is one of the all-time greats of detecting. By the way, I just bought a new "overpriced" MXT All-Pro new at $800 plus $500 of accessories because while it's not the best "deal" out there, it will still be making great finds for me 20 years from now long after the throwaway detectors currently in vogue are long since in the landfill.

Here's the advice part (armchair CEO grinning smiley). If I was White's I wouldn't try to compete directly with the cheap bang-for-the-buck Noktas and Minelabs. I'd concede that market to them and instead stake out the upper-middle segment of hobby detecting. Keep the metal box, keep the high-quality robust construction of controls, coils, rods, keep analog designs, keep making them tough-as-nails and made in America, and keep the fantastic customer service, and not worry about competing with the lower-middle "made in China" end of the market. Listen to experienced users and incorporate long-desired features into older models and perfect the circuitry even more o those old designs. Focus on engineering and performance and less on marketing.

Give us an updated IDX Pro with Mr. Bill mods straight from the factory. Give us an XL Pro with manual ground balance, selectable 2 or 4 filter discrimination, and selectable tone ID. Give us a V3i with a faster processor and better functioning ground balance. And give us and MXT Pro with manual ground balance and ground ID number in all modes, not just prospecting. Take the classic designs and further perfect them and let their performance in the field and the hobbyist community word-of-mouth be the marketing strategy. Listen to the voices of experienced users and let the engineers design ways to incorporate those suggestions. Best of all, this would limit R&D and manufacturing costs because this is just refinment of existing designs, but would show White's is still in the game and bring back loyal customers who have drifted away.

White's there are lot of us pulling for you to survive. We want you to make it!

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Current detectors: White's V3i, MXT, XL Pro
Past: Minelab CTX 3030, Equinox 800, White's XLT, DFX, IDX, 6000D Series 3, Coinmaster 2DB, + many others
Location: Western Idaho
Detecting since 1980
Subject Author Views Posted

Will there be anything new ... and useful ... from White's ...

Monte 250 February 28, 2020 07:04AM

Thought on White's ... and some advice if they are listening

Wayfarer 106 March 28, 2020 11:23AM

Re: Thought on White's ... and some advice if they are listening

NWCindy 75 March 28, 2020 10:14PM

Re: Thought on White's ... and some advice if they are listening

glabelle 88 March 28, 2020 03:43PM

Re: Thought on White's ... and some advice if they are listening

Sodbuster 71 April 06, 2020 02:23PM

My gut feeling (based on nothing really) is that White’s will be around for some time to come  N/T

Tony 89 March 17, 2020 04:58AM

I'd like to see that happen, but ....

Monte 135 March 17, 2020 06:27AM

Re: I'd like to see that happen, but ....

Tony 94 March 17, 2020 04:21PM

Let's give them a hand up, and not a push down

zincoln 103 March 17, 2020 08:02PM

Re: Let's give them a hand up, and not a push down

Sodbuster 89 March 18, 2020 08:42AM

Brian, a very kind and considerate write-up.

Monte 97 March 18, 2020 06:15AM

I'll keep carrying the flag as long as i have working machines...

zincoln 92 March 18, 2020 10:27AM

Re: I'll keep carrying the flag as long as i have working machines...

glabelle 86 March 18, 2020 12:31PM

Re: I'll keep carrying the flag as long as i have working machines...

OregonGregg 89 March 18, 2020 03:38PM

Memories

Remfire 81 March 18, 2020 09:51PM

Making memories in Lonesome Arch was a good start.

Monte 88 March 19, 2020 11:23AM

Re: Memories

OregonGregg 93 March 19, 2020 05:16AM

Re: Let's give them a hand up, and not a push down

UtahRich 82 March 17, 2020 11:09PM

Re: Let's give them a hand up, and not a push down

zincoln 72 March 18, 2020 05:35AM

Re: Let's give them a hand up, and not a push down

Tony 82 March 17, 2020 09:48PM

Here in the USA, White's IS overpriced.

Monte 90 March 18, 2020 06:06AM

Re: Let's give them a hand up, and not a push down

zincoln 74 March 18, 2020 05:41AM

White's nostagia

glabelle 68 March 17, 2020 05:01PM

Re: I'd like to see that happen, but ....

glabelle 68 March 17, 2020 05:01PM

Re: Will there be anything new ... and useful ... from White's ...

jmaryt 143 February 28, 2020 11:13PM

Re: Will there be anything new ... and useful ... from White's ...

glabelle 121 February 29, 2020 08:11AM

Here's How You Do It ...

Monte 140 February 29, 2020 08:27AM

Re: Here's How You Do It ...

jmaryt 116 February 29, 2020 04:50PM

No, don't WANT to see them croak. But, the real question is ...

Monte 170 March 01, 2020 08:23AM

Re: No, don't WANT to see them croak. But, the real question is ...

jmaryt 113 March 01, 2020 07:44PM

Re: No, don't WANT to see them croak. But, the real question is ...

Monte 111 March 01, 2020 08:42PM

Re: No, don't WANT to see them croak. But, the real question is ...

jmaryt 93 March 02, 2020 10:16PM

Fixing and making, basic education to technical education.

Monte 151 March 03, 2020 02:00AM

Re: No, don't WANT to see them croak. But, the real question is ...

glabelle 91 March 01, 2020 09:44PM

Your question and comments are spot-on.

Monte 117 March 02, 2020 07:52AM

Re: Your question and comments are spot-on.

johnedoe 55 March 28, 2020 01:55PM

I kind of agree, but at the same time disagree .at least a little.

Monte 55 March 29, 2020 04:38PM

Re: Your question and comments are spot-on.

glabelle 41 March 28, 2020 03:49PM

Stay Tuned??? I did that once. All I got was 'snow' or a bunch of colorful lines and a loud noise. N/T

Monte 90 February 29, 2020 07:56AM



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